Vector lines on TV look too sharp

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Vector lines on TV look too sharp

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Hello,

When I export a clip from Moho as a Quicktime, or an AVI, or a DV clip and view that clip on a TV screen, the lines are way too crisp and aliased. I'm using PAL resolution on a PAL TV screen. Is there any way to soften them slightly and prevent that alias edge from jumping off the TV screen? I've tried blurring the layer, but on '1' it blurs too much.

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Can you please show us some photographs of such Moho animation on a tv screen?
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Mikdog wrote:I've tried blurring the layer, but on '1' it blurs too much.
TRUE! I've always requested a decimal treatament of Layer Effects...
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Okay, I don't have the TV screen with me now, but here's the kind of thing I'm looking at.

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I must just say these characters are under pretty tight copyright, but any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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I can't see it... :(
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You could try to tweak the outline color and fill color a bit. I don't have the original Moho file, but I have tweaked the lines and the black fills of your artwork in an image editor and I think the result is more appealing to the eyes. So, this might be part of the solution.
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I hope you didn't mind that I changed your artwork a bit here; I just wanted to let you see what I mean.
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And that black & white can still work, shows this example from Channel Frederator's animation show podcast:
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So, here variation in line width and line style helps to make an image more pleasing to look at.
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Rasheed, nice one buddy! Looks very cool! Thanks!

You got a webpage? Just interested, thanks.

Mike
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I don't really have an animation website. I'm just a hobbyist with some experience. But that doesn't mean to say that I can't have good ideas now and then.

I'm just glad you found my tip useful.
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Even if Moho did allow fractional blurs, I think you'd still be better off doing this with a video editing/processing program. The reason I say this is that to me, specific tweaks that you need to do for specific video output are better done on a final video file, rather than re-rendering the animation. You may also have to deal with things like interlacing, non-square pixels, color space conversions, etc. I think of all these things as video tasks, not animation tasks.
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Hi LM,

Quite correct, I added a Gaussian Blur in After Effects and whatdayaknow...

Thanks,

You are a genius of epic proportions.

Mike
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