Hello Moho community,
I'd like to formally introduce myself to the forum. My name is Steve Valdez a fellow user and animator. I present to you all for your review and feedback on my first commercial animated story DVD release.
Here is the link to the finished production and end product.
http://www.babyangels.com
More info.
http://www.digitalmediaink.com
Thank you and I hope to hear from you all!
Regards,
SRV
The Adventures of the Baby Angels DVD - Created with Moho
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I don't think an animation forum is the right place to discuss religion or my stand in that matter but to use this kind of material to impose religious beliefs on the minds of young children who pretty much believe everything they see and hear is just mean.SRV wrote:What do you mean exactly "a bit on the creepy side"? Please explain more
in detail.
Animation wise you need some movent on the angels bodys while flying, they're not stuck on poles are they? The wings are the driving force here, thats where the movement got to come from.
(edited, minor change)
The guy in the red beret, how come his eyes keep disappearing and his mouth moves from side to side all the time? Same thing seems to happen with the girl behind the campfire. If they're supposed to be blinking, it doesn't look like it.
Aside from that, it's hard to tell from the clip what exactly is supposed to be going on. There's not much to comment on because it's not clear what we're seeing. The characters' expressions don't change, which is a problem.
Aside from that, it's hard to tell from the clip what exactly is supposed to be going on. There's not much to comment on because it's not clear what we're seeing. The characters' expressions don't change, which is a problem.
To answer the last 2 posts and maybe others thinking along those lines, my submission of my work was NOT intended to convert nor preach to anyone about or regarding their faith/belief system. I just wanted to share my Moho production as others have done. I love Moho and hope to give it credit when possible. The Baby Angels are simple in design in all ways specifically. It's viewing target is for the very young with short attention spans. All movement is limited and slow in pace by design. The idea here was not the creation of a Traditional animation work. I've seen a lot of excellent animation here and I've seen some really bad ones too. I'm just using my talents to give some positiveness back into the world. That being said, if those that are still not clear about the clip, their is a short story breakdown on the website if your interested.
In closing, the Baby Angels will continue in production with more future episodes. Thanks again for your comments!
PEACE
SRV
In closing, the Baby Angels will continue in production with more future episodes. Thanks again for your comments!
PEACE
SRV
For a commercial project to be succesful, it needs to be appealing to the intended buyer. The parents of your target audience may not be to receptive to the promo clip. I am not against a minimalist approach to animation, but the idea should be conveyed either by imagery or narrative. Maybe i's the way the promo is put together that creates a bit of confusion, you may need to rework it. I hope this has been constructive?
P.S. maybe you should test it on children of the intended age, in any case it's your dream don't give up!
P.S. maybe you should test it on children of the intended age, in any case it's your dream don't give up!
"and then Man created god!"
For a commercial project to be succesful, it needs to be appealing to the intended buyer. The parents of your target audience may not be to receptive to the promo clip.
Maybe i's the way the promo is put together that creates a bit of confusion, you may need to rework it.
P.S. maybe you should test it on children of the intended age.
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F.M.
F.M. I agree that a commercial project's success depends on it's appeal to the intended buyer. Viewer satisfaction is my goal in the end.
You may be right about tweaking the trailer a bit more for better storyline clarity however. It's been an obvious repeated comment.
For the record and as it is stated on the Baby Angels website in the Parents section, this DVD was already reviewed in focus groups by children and their parents. The feedback was 100% positive +. The parents and children were excited to receive their Baby Angels DVD. I'm a bit shocked from the response so far however, which comes off as really negative in intent. I would never put my efforts and talent into anything unworthy and unsuccessful. I've devoted a lot of time, money and talent into this production. You said it right F.M.. It's my dream and I want to see that the Baby Angels get a chance to fill many hearts with joy and a positive message!
PEACE
SRV
Maybe i's the way the promo is put together that creates a bit of confusion, you may need to rework it.
P.S. maybe you should test it on children of the intended age.
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F.M.
F.M. I agree that a commercial project's success depends on it's appeal to the intended buyer. Viewer satisfaction is my goal in the end.
You may be right about tweaking the trailer a bit more for better storyline clarity however. It's been an obvious repeated comment.
For the record and as it is stated on the Baby Angels website in the Parents section, this DVD was already reviewed in focus groups by children and their parents. The feedback was 100% positive +. The parents and children were excited to receive their Baby Angels DVD. I'm a bit shocked from the response so far however, which comes off as really negative in intent. I would never put my efforts and talent into anything unworthy and unsuccessful. I've devoted a lot of time, money and talent into this production. You said it right F.M.. It's my dream and I want to see that the Baby Angels get a chance to fill many hearts with joy and a positive message!
PEACE
SRV
I think the trailer shows what the DVD is. People in trouble, baby angels to the rescue. If a trailer is supposed to sell you a particular plot or story, this "Preview trailer" doesn't do that. It is really more of a commercial than a trailer. I mean, I don't get a sense of what the particular story of this DVD is, but I CERTAINLY get an idea of what the overall concept for the Baby Angels is supposed to be.
I like the Angel's designs. The little eyes are cute, sort of Windsor McKay like. The backgrounds are good - I like the water, and the starry skies. The grey sky in the trees background could be a nicer color.
I assume this will be a limited animation project -- the characters will not act much. Instead, you'll let a narrator do most of the real story telling. Hell, that's how they did Rocky and Bullwinkle. But my only suggestion is that you remember to have a quick pace. The average shot in a Rocky and Bullwinkle or George Of The Jungle is probably less than 5 seconds. That's one of the ways they hid their modest budget. Check out squeaky dave's fairy tale videos -- those have a nice editing pace.
There is a theory among TV development people that kids won't watch shows about babies. Kids aspire to be older. So 6 year olds will watch 12 year olds. And 12 year olds will watch and want to be like teenagers. And teens all want to be a rock star. So unfortunately, that may sink you.
It may be that the 3, 4, 5 year olds won't want to watch babies because they want to learn from the big kids. Still, you won't know until you get the DVD out there and test it on a mass scale.
Finally, I admire someone who is producing their own video for this market. Veggie Tales showed that there is a HUGE audience for this sort of stuff, and even more importantly, there is a network of retail outlets that sell this sort of material. Cracking into that distribution chain shouldn't be too hard, as long as you're capitalized. There are probably even religious conventions that have vendors. And through churches there's a grapevine of parents who want to buy religious material for their kids. So if you make a few good videos, there will be word of mouth.
And you don't need a big budget for terrific acting in your animation to sell videos anymore. It's nice, but Nick and Cartoon Network show that great full blown animation like Bugs Bunny just isn't needed to hold an audience of kids.
(But of course I don't mean that good acting isn't appreciated! No one loves great cartoon acting more than I do!)
So good luck, and remember me when Wal mart buys 50,000 units.
Gochris
I like the Angel's designs. The little eyes are cute, sort of Windsor McKay like. The backgrounds are good - I like the water, and the starry skies. The grey sky in the trees background could be a nicer color.
I assume this will be a limited animation project -- the characters will not act much. Instead, you'll let a narrator do most of the real story telling. Hell, that's how they did Rocky and Bullwinkle. But my only suggestion is that you remember to have a quick pace. The average shot in a Rocky and Bullwinkle or George Of The Jungle is probably less than 5 seconds. That's one of the ways they hid their modest budget. Check out squeaky dave's fairy tale videos -- those have a nice editing pace.
There is a theory among TV development people that kids won't watch shows about babies. Kids aspire to be older. So 6 year olds will watch 12 year olds. And 12 year olds will watch and want to be like teenagers. And teens all want to be a rock star. So unfortunately, that may sink you.
It may be that the 3, 4, 5 year olds won't want to watch babies because they want to learn from the big kids. Still, you won't know until you get the DVD out there and test it on a mass scale.
Finally, I admire someone who is producing their own video for this market. Veggie Tales showed that there is a HUGE audience for this sort of stuff, and even more importantly, there is a network of retail outlets that sell this sort of material. Cracking into that distribution chain shouldn't be too hard, as long as you're capitalized. There are probably even religious conventions that have vendors. And through churches there's a grapevine of parents who want to buy religious material for their kids. So if you make a few good videos, there will be word of mouth.
And you don't need a big budget for terrific acting in your animation to sell videos anymore. It's nice, but Nick and Cartoon Network show that great full blown animation like Bugs Bunny just isn't needed to hold an audience of kids.
(But of course I don't mean that good acting isn't appreciated! No one loves great cartoon acting more than I do!)
So good luck, and remember me when Wal mart buys 50,000 units.
Gochris
What about "Muppet Babies"?There is a theory among TV development people that kids won't watch shows about babies.
I also noticed that the angels and the other characters seem to have been designed by different people. It's kind of like Winsor McCay meets South Park. Why is that?
The backgrounds are nicely colored, but the composition could use some work, something I have a lot of trouble with myself.
i come from mars, where we either produce high-quality animation or if its not that high put the animation into the trashbin.Makemoney wrote:Not sure where your coming from Mr. Blaaa?
Be more clear about what your really saying. Is it the
fact that the characters are angels? Is it the
production quality? What?....
the fact, that u sell this is unbelievable.
first of all it is the production quality is low, as many bugs and mistakes show up in the trailer.
another aspect is: low quality and high commercialisation combined.
if this development keeps going on, moho will sooner or later be a slave of the industry which provides low quality animation to choiceless kids.
thats all i am afraid of. *classic conflict between artists and the industy*
(if u dont agree to my opinion i dont mind this, i call it freedom of speech)
"What about Muppet Babies?"
Well, like I said, it was a theory among development people, not some kind of hard and fast rule. I thought the tone of my post made that clear. For the record, there are no hard and fast rules in the TV development business.
I think the case can be made that the appeal of Muppet Babies is that they were Muppets first, not babies. Still, there are always exceptions -- plenty of 6,7 and 8 year olds watched Rugrats, and that show was primarily about 3 and 4 year old characters.
Anyway, like I said, put the DVD out there and let the market decide...
Gochris
Well, like I said, it was a theory among development people, not some kind of hard and fast rule. I thought the tone of my post made that clear. For the record, there are no hard and fast rules in the TV development business.
I think the case can be made that the appeal of Muppet Babies is that they were Muppets first, not babies. Still, there are always exceptions -- plenty of 6,7 and 8 year olds watched Rugrats, and that show was primarily about 3 and 4 year old characters.
Anyway, like I said, put the DVD out there and let the market decide...
Gochris